POLLOCK’S NEWS UPDATE: David Starr wraps up with wXw

David Starr wraps up with wXw, Edge returns to Raw, thoughts on Elimination Chamber, class action suit filed against WWE, UFC 248 reaction & lots more.


**Wai Ting and I are back with Rewind-A-Raw later tonight to discuss tonight’s episode of Raw, going through the major news items, and take your questions at the end.

**Our Elimination Chamber POST Show is up on the site with an extensive review of Sunday’s card from Philadelphia along with your phone calls and reaction from the POST Wrestling Forum.

**The latest edition of Thunderstruck features WH Park being joined by wrestler Davis Storm to discuss Jushin Thunder Liger vs. Koji Kanemoto from February 1997. There are five editions of Thunderstruck remaining before the series concludes and WH will be joined by JoJo Remy this Sunday for Liger vs. Shinjiro Otani from February 1998.

**On Tuesday night, the MCU review is back for members of the POST Wrestling Café. Brent Chittenden of the True North Nerds Podcast will join Wai & I to review Avengers: Infinity War.



*Tonight: Rewind-A-Raw with John Pollock & Wai Ting
*Tuesday: MCU review of Avengers ‘Infinity War’ with John, Wai & Brent Chittenden (Patreon)
*Wednesday: Rewind-A-Dynamite
*Wednesday: upNXT with Braden Herrington & Davie Portman
*Thursday: Café Hangout with guest Benno from the BWE (LIVE at 3 pm ET for Café members)
*Saturday: Rewind-A-SmackDown with John Pollock (Patreon)
*Sunday: Thunderstruck with WH Park & guest JoJo Remy (Jushin Thunder Liger vs. Shinjiro Otani, Feb. 1998)
*Sunday: ROH 18th Anniversary POST Show with John Pollock & Mike Murray


**Tonight’s episode of Raw takes place from the Capital One Arena in Washington, D.C. featuring Edge’s first appearance since the night after the Royal Rumble to confront Randy Orton. Mike Johnson at PWinsider.com is reporting that The Undertaker is expected to appear on tonight’s show as well.

**Sunday’s Elimination Chamber show was a victim of scheduling in the lead-up due to the proximity to Super ShowDown last week in Saudi Arabia. The company essentially had one card between the Royal Rumble and WrestleMania and had to spread that card over two shows with the lion’s share of the stars on the former. I don’t know when another pay-per-view card will occur where so much of the top stars are off the show. Elimination Chamber went forward without Roman Reigns, Drew McIntyre, Randy Orton, Brock Lesnar, Bill Goldberg, Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair, Bayley, Sasha Banks, Rey Mysterio, and The Fiend Bray Wyatt.

The result saw a show that in-ring was a good show and allowed talent that rarely receives any attention to have a large platform and the time necessary to have real matches. The downside was the lack of star power affected the live crowd’s engagement in most of the show as fans are trained to react to stars and that was evident with The Undertaker getting the largest response on the show, albeit the surprise element enhanced that. You can sympathize with the audience that purchased tickets in advance and have following the television and the stars attached to the major WrestleMania programs aren’t on the final pay-per-view before Tampa.

That said, there was some very good wrestling on the show. Daniel Bryan and Drew Gulak had a unique match by WWE standards with a completely different style than normal. They took Gulak, who has largely been a joke on SmackDown and allowed him to be Bryan’s equal for fourteen minutes with a technical match that built with suplex exchanges and a great sequence of counters leading to Bryan escaping the Gu-Lock and winning with the LeBell Lock. They also protected Gulak allowing him to pass out rather than be submit. One could have argued that with Asuka being protected in the same way with Shayna Baszler that it wasn’t the night for Gulak to have the same ending, but it didn’t affect either match.

The main purpose of the show was getting Shayna Baszler over as the monster to challenge Becky Lynch and present her as unstoppable. In that sense, the main event was a victory because Baszler ran through all five opponents and eliminated them. It served several purposes as it established the Kirifuda Clutch for those that didn’t follow her in NXT and showed they learned the lesson from last Monday of having Baszler look dominant and not drag things out as they did with Kairi Sane.

There is a time for Baszler to do longer matches, including WrestleMania, but this week wasn’t it nor was the Elimination Chamber the match to share the spotlight with others. Baszler is in the money match and the others are not. This is the time of the year when complaints about predictability are mentioned but it should be predictable a month out. If anything, this year has been less predictable because of a high frequency of changes to the card that have resulted in Bill Goldberg as Universal champion, John Cena with a new opponent, and the Royal Rumble winners changing. Becky Lynch and Shaya Baszler is an example of a long-term plan they have stuck to for WrestleMania.

**With WrestleMania four weeks away, the key matches have either been announced or you can see the direction they are heading and below is the card and other ideas that have been teased for the main players:
*Brock Lesnar vs. Drew McIntyre for the WWE title
*Bill Goldberg vs. Roman Reigns for the Universal title
*Becky Lynch vs. Shayna Baszler for the Raw women’s title
*Rhea Ripley vs. Charlotte Flair for the NXT women’s title
*John Cena vs. The Fiend Bray Wyatt

Not announced:
*The Undertaker vs. AJ Styles
*Edge vs. Randy Orton
*Seth Rollins vs. Kevin Owens – last week’s promo from Rollins hinted at a stipulation. The other question would be how Murphy and Samoa Joe fit in whether it be as corners or somehow get involved in the match. Joe is eligible to come back the week before ‘Mania from his suspension but he was also recovering from the injury on the commercial shoot so his status is unknown
*Kabuki Warriors defending the women’s tag titles – the challenge was issued by Alexa Bliss & Nikki Cross on SmackDown while Dave Meltzer had previously reported that Beth Phoenix & Natalya were penciled in for the title match

**One of the more important stories over the weekend was David Starr’s departure from wXw in Germany after losing to Bobby Gunns with the stipulation he would leave the company if he lost. Starr has stated he is not going to elaborate, at least on Twitter and clearly does not want to throw any criticism toward wXw for all the promotion has done for him. His words were that ‘freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences’ that doesn’t leave much ambiguity to draw conclusions.

It is no secret that WWE and wXw have a relationship and that Starr has been among the outspoken voices in the entire industry with his stance on performers coming together to unionize. No one can point to the specific reason for Starr’s exit from wXw but it isn’t the promotion to stop booking Starr with Progress Wrestling also moving away from Starr. A great point raised by Benno is Starr’s attitude about potentially being featured on the WWE Network, and vice-versa if WWE would want to showcase him. If the tiered system is coming to the WWE Network with wXw and Progress included, it creates a conflict where Starr may not have wanted to be part of it. In the past, Starr had advocated for fans to cancel their WWE Network subscription to sign-up for an independent streaming service, wrestler’s Patreon, or merchandise.

No doubt, Starr will use this as material for future programs and adds to his appeal as a lightning rod within the industry and history has dictated that if you can draw money, anything is forgiven from promoters. In this case, companies like Progress and wXw have their ties to WWE and when push came to shove, that is where they are going to stand.

Starr has been able to make himself into a large star on the independent level by running towards that distinction that he is, in the very essence, independent. One only must watch some of his performances with WALTER and Jordan Devlin, specifically last October’s OTT title win over Devlin to see Starr in his element that possesses all the qualities of a top star. His promos are among the best in the business and is able to do what few can do so seamlessly – latch onto a raw nerve as inspiration for his promos and attack his opponents verbally with the understand the fanbase knows when strikes a nerve and it adds an air of intensity to his promos and can create the big-match feel. Starr is scheduled for a big match with Jon Moxley this Saturday at OTT’s ScrappeMania 6 card in Dublin, which has sold out Dublin’s National Stadium.

There are some similarities between Starr to Leslie Smith with her exit from the UFC. For those unfamiliar, Smith has been incredibly open about the need for fighters to organize and launched Project Spearhead for fighters to sign authorization cards that would begin the process of being recognized as a union or association. Despite coming off two wins in the UFC, her contract was not renewed and has since signed with Bellator. It is hard not to connect the dots and believe that the UFC did not want to be in business with Smith because of the efforts she was pushing.

**Over the weekend, a class-action lawsuit was filed against WWE on behalf of shareholders that bought stock in the company between February 7, 2019, and February 5, 2020. The suit alleges that WWE made ‘materially false and/or misleading statements and/or failed to disclose that:

(1) WWE was experiencing rising tension with the Saudi government and a breakdown in negotiations over a renewed broadcasting distribution deal; (2) the Saudi government and its affiliates had failed to make millions of dollars in payments owed to WWE pursuant to existing contractual commitments between the parties; (3) Orbit Showcase Network (“OSN”), a Saudi-controlled direct broadcast satellite provider, had terminated the broadcast of WWE programming in the first quarter of 2019, despite a contractual obligation to continue such broadcasts, and that this cancellation was symptomatic of a deterioration in the business relationship between the parties; (4) OSN had rebuffed efforts to renew a distribution rights agreement on terms acceptable to WWE; and (5) WWE did not have the ability to expand its operations in the Middle East or within Saudi Arabia as had been represented to investors.

The suit was filed by the firm of Bronstein, Gewirtz & Grossman, LLC and shareholders during the period outlined have until May 6, 2020, to join the plaintiffs in the suit.

**Friday Night SmackDown finished with 2,456,000 viewers on Fox last Friday with a 0.7 in 18-49 and 0.4 in 18-34.

**A promo ran during the Elimination Chamber announcing additional episodes of the ‘Ruthless Aggression’ series coming this fall. Subjects that appeared in the promo included Ohio Valley Wrestling, the Diva Seach, the Money in the Bank Ladder Match, the Elimination Chamber, and Tough Enough. It also featured clips of interviews with The Undertaker, Kane, Big Show, Jim Cornette, and Lita. The first five episodes of the series are available now on the WWE Network.

**AEW is taking Dynamite to Louisiana and New Mexico in May. On Monday, they announced that the May 6th episode will take place from the UNO Lakefront Center in New Orleans. That building has significance for Cody and Kenny Omega, who were the main event of ROH’s Supercard of Honor show in April 2018 and drew 6,100 people. That year, there was no question that was the match that drew that crowd, but they opted to put Marty Scurll vs. Dalton Castle on last. I was speaking with someone with the promotion earlier in the night and when they told me they plan to put that match on last, I was stunned as the crowd was not coming back after the marathon Omega and Cody had. Scurll and Castle had a good match, but the audience was dead that late into the show.

**AEW also announced that the May 13th episode of Dynamite will take place from the Santa Ana Star Center in Rio Rancho, New Mexico. It’s the same building the UFC ran last month for the Fight Night card headlined by Jan Blachowicz and Corey Anderson that drew 6,449 and a gate of $596,820.

Tickets for both the New Orleans and Rio Rancho episodes of Dynamite go on-sale this Friday at Noon Eastern.

**The WWE stock dropped 3.65% on Monday and closed at $41.16.

**Mike Johnson has a transcript of his interview with Matt Hardy from this past weekend. Hardy discussed his decision to test free agency, several plans for ‘Free the Delete’, his discussions about working in a dual capacity within NXT, ideas he pitched with under-utilized talent, and moving on from WWE while brother Jeff is still there.

**WWE and Mars, Incorporated announced a continuation of their partnership that will see Snickers as the presenting sponsor of WrestleMania for the fifth straight year. There will be three commercial spots involving WWE talent for Snickers’ ‘Fix the World’ campaign with the first spot to run during the March 23rd episode of Raw, the second on the March 27th edition of Friday Night SmackDown and the final spot airing during the WrestleMania broadcast.

**Chris Jericho and Dave Bautista ended up on a flight together.

**Deadline reported on Monday that C.J. Perry will be featured in the upcoming film ‘Cosmic Sin’ starring Bruce Willis. Perry is playing the role of Sol, who is a sniper and the lead assassin ‘fighting on behalf of the human race against an alien invasion’.

**Ricochet appeared on the Fox affiliate in Washington, D.C. to promote tonight’s edition of Raw and wrestling for fifteen years before joining WWE. He joked that Brock Lesnar was the toughest guy he’s ever wrestled and put over Rey Mysterio as a major influence.

**Anthem Sports & Entertainment announced a multi-year agreement with iHeartMedia, Inc. on Monday. The deal will see the two sides work on original programming and the marketing of Anthem’s properties across the audio network. Anthem’s CEO Leonard Asper was quoted in the release by stating:

Our new partnership with iHeartMedia gives us unprecedented access to its quarter of a billion monthly listeners, reaching 9 out of 10 Americans each month through its national network of local radio stations and its ubiquitous digital app, live events, podcasts and other properties. Joining forces with iHeartMedia provides an invaluable opportunity to extend the reach of our brands, and to create unique and original content that serves our passionate communities.

**According to Aonghus McAnally of OTT, the promotion will have ScrapperMania 6 available 3-4 days after the show at OTT on Demand.

**WrestleCon announced that Kenta Kobashi will be part of their convention in Tampa over WrestleMania Weekend. Kobashi was announced on Monday along with ROH champion Rush, Aron Stevens, The Briscoe Brothers, Melina, Karlee Perez (Catrina in Lucha Underground), Dragone Lee, Kenny King, Rhino, and Mike Jackson.

**Tony Deppen and Josh Woods are the latest names added to Ring of Honor’s Pure title tournament next month. The 16-man tournament for the revived championship begins Friday, April 10th in Columbus, Ohio. Deppen and Woods join Doug Williams, Jonathan Gresham, Alex Shelley, Rocky Romero, Mark Haskins, Slex, Tracy Williams, Marty Scurll, Fred Yehi, Yuji Nagata, Joe Hendry, Ren Narita, and Dalton Castle with one more name to be added.

**ROH has also added Heather Monroe and Miranda Alize to their women’s title tournament for April. The title has been vacant since Kelly Klein’s contract was not renewed at the end of 2019. The 16-woman tournament begins Friday, April 24th in Philadelphia at the 2300 Arena.

**Progress Wrestling will hold its Chapter 106 card from the O2 Ritz in Manchester, England on Saturday, May 9th with a 4 pm main show. The following day will be their Chapter 107 event from the O2 Academy in Leeds and starts at 3 pm for the main show.

**FLQ Wrestling out of Quebec has a big card scheduled for Saturday, May 9th featuring NWA champion Nick Aldis vs. Tyson Dux for the title. The card will take place in Montreal at Bain Mathieu (2915 Ontario St. East).

**Impact Wrestling is returning to Mississauga, Ontario on April 17th with ‘Against All Odds’ at the Don Kolov Arena. The show takes place two days before their ‘Rebellion’ pay-per-view at the Melrose Ballroom in Queens, New York. Tickets for Against All Odds are on sale now.

**Melina Perez, Rick Steiner, Tiger Ali Singh, and former UFC bantamweight champion Dominick Cruz have birthdays today.

**NXT has added shows on May 1st in Washington, D.C, May 2nd in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and May 3rd in Poughkeepsie, New York.

**Freelance Wrestling and RISE are co-promoting a show called ‘Pride and Joy’ on Sunday, June 28th at the Logan Square Auditorium in Chicago. Tickets for the show are on sale today.

**OTT put out the following video ahead of ScrapperMania this Saturday in Dublin:

**The latest episode of Being the Elite ‘Mile High City’:

**MLW put out Episode #100 of Fusion this past weekend featuring MLW heavyweight champion Jacob Fatu vs. CIMA:

**Stardom’s ‘No People Gate’ card from an empty Korakuen Hall on Sunday:


**With a few days to reflect, the UFC women’s strawweight fight between Zhang Weili and Joanna Jedrzejczyk will go down as one of the greatest fights in MMA history and have no problem putting it in the conversation of the top fights of all-time. It is the fight that both will be linked to throughout their careers no matter what else they accomplish and is an easy choice for future inclusion in the promotion’s Hall of Fame. The pace they upheld for twenty-five minutes was breathtaking and it was evident by the second round that it was a classic fight. It was very close when it came to the winner of the fight, although most seemed to have Weili winning 48-47 and even some having it 49-46 for her. I scored the fight 48-47 for Weili but both came out of the fight as megastars within the company and it’s inevitable that a rematch will happen down the road.

For both women’s sake, I hope they take extended breaks because it’s often taken for granted how much is left in the cage after a war like that. Many would point to Rory MacDonald’s fight with Robbie Lawler in July 2015 as one of those examples of a fighter that was never the same – and he took eleven months off before fighting Stephen Thompson the next year. I also felt the commentary of Jon Anik, Joe Rogan, and Daniel Cormier enhanced the fight that much more as they were in awe of what they were seeing and put it over as a classic in the process. It’s the type of fight that people will be talking about 10-15 years from now as one of the great fights of the era.

**In the main event, all three judges scored the fight for Israel Adesanya over Yoel Romero. Judges Sal D’Amato, Chris Lee, and Ron McCarthy all scored the first round for Romero and Round 3-5 for Adesanya. D’Amato and McCarthy scored the second round for Romero and Lee scored the second round for Adesanya.

**There was an incident in the crowd at UFC 248 between UFC featherweight Brian Ortega and Korean hip-hop artist Jay Park, who attended the fight with ‘The Korean Zombie’ Chan Sung Jung. ESPN’s Ariel Helwani reported the incident on Saturday night where Park was slapped by Ortega prior to the two being separated.

Jung appeared on Ariel Helwani’s MMA Show on February 10th with Park serving as his translator. During the interview, Jung stated that Ortega ducked him (the two were scheduled to fight last year but Ortega had to withdraw due to injury). When ESPN posted the clip on Instragam, Ortega wrote in the comment section:

When I saw him in Korea he apologized and said sorry for the trash talk and I said all good cause least you came at me like a man. Now you just a bitch dawg. Jay Park welcome to the fight game don’t be surprised if I slap the shit out you when I see you. Having an Injury and ducking are 2 different things.

MMA Junkie received a statement Jason House, the manager for Jung, who stated a police report was filed after Saturday’s incident. The MMA Junkie story added that the incident is believed to have occurred when Jung got up and when to the washroom and Ortega approached Park, which was the same story Park told on today’s edition Helwani’s show.

**UFC 248 drew 15,077 to the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas with a gate of $2,742,906.20. Obviously, the ‘Fight of the Night’ bonus went to Zhang Weili and Joanna Jedrzejczuk with the ‘Performance of the Night’ bonuses going to Sean O’Malley and Beneil Dariush for $50,000 each.

**The purse figures from UFC 248 were released by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. The highest earner on the show was Israel Adesanya with a guaranteed $500,000 followed by Yoel Romero with $350,000 guaranteed. Zhang Weili made $100,000 to fight and $100,000 to win while Joanna Jedrzejczyk made $106,000 and would have made double if she won the fight. Aside from the middleweights in the main event, every other fighter had their show money and a win bonus attached. The purses disclosed do not include any bonuses.

**UFC lightweight and Olympic silver medalist Mark O. Madsen revealed that he suffered a broken jaw during his fight with Austin Hubbard on Saturday night. Madsen believed it broke in the second round. Madsen won the first two rounds with Hubbard mounting a spirited comeback in the third as all three judges scored it 29-28 for Madsen, who improved to 10-0 in his pro career.

**The UFC is back with a strong Fight Night card this Saturday from Brasilia headlined by lightweights Kevin Lee and Charles Oliveira. This looks like a fantastic fight on-paper with Oliveira winning his last six fights and none have gotten out of the second round. Lee is coming off a vicious knockout victory over Gregor Gillespie and has faced a murderer’s row at lightweight since June 2017 against Michael Chiesa, Tony Ferguson, Edson Barboza, Al Iaquinta, and Rafael dos Anjos prior to Gillespie, who was undefeated before the fight with Lee.

The main card also features Demian Maia vs. Gilbert Burns, Renato Moicano taking on Damir Hadzovic, light heavyweights Johnny Walker and Nikita Krylov, and John Makdessi taking on Francisco Trinaldo.

**The UFC is running every weekend this month with Brasilia this Saturday, March 21st in London with Tyron Woodley vs. Leon Edwards, and March 28th in Columbus, Ohio with Francis Ngannou vs. Jairzinho Rozenstruik.

**Bellator has released the full card for this Friday’s card in Uncasville, Connecticut. The main card airs at 10 pm Eastern on DAZN and the Paramount Network with the following fights:
*Patricio ‘Pitbull’ Freire vs. Pedro Carvalho in the Featherweight Grand Prix Quarter-final for the Featherweight title
*Emmanuel Sanchez vs. Daniel Weichel in the Featherweight Grand Prix Quarter-Final
*Matt Mitrione vs. Ronny Markes
*Paul Daley vs. Sabah Homasi
*Nick Newell vs. Zach Zane
*Anatoly Tokov vs. Fabio Aguiar

**Bellator has also added a card for Saturday, June 6th at the Wintrust Arena in Chicago, Illinois. The card is set to be headlined by lightweights Michael Chandler and Benson Henderson along with the semi-finals of the Featherweight Grand Prix with A.J. McKee taking on Darrion Caldwell. Chandler and Henderson fought in November 2016 with Chandler winning by split decision when he was the Bellator lightweight champion. They were set to rematch this past December on New Year’s Eve in Japan, but Henderson had to pull out of the fight. Since the loss to Chandler, Henderson has gone 4-1 and won his last four fights against Roger Huerta, Saad Awad, Adam Piccolotti, and Myles Jury.

**During Saturday’s UFC 248 broadcast, they announced that the first fight between Jon Jones and Alexander Gustafsson from September 2013 will be inducted into the UFC Hall of Fame this July. Jones had won the title in March 2011 from Mauricio ‘Shogun’ Rua in a year where he fought four times include title defenses against Quinton Jackson and Lyoto Machida. He continued with defenses against Rashad Evans, Vitor Belfort, and Chael Sonnen before Gustafsson received the next title fight in September 2013. Going in, Gustafsson was not given much of a chance and in later years, Jones would reveal years later that he didn’t train hard for the fight and told RT Sport in 2018:

I didn’t train very hard for that fight, I’m not making excuses, but this is just the truth, I could have given it a lot more effort, I got fatigued after the first two rounds, which is something that never normally happens in my fights.

While the legend of the fight is how close it was, and granted it was the most competitive fight Jones had until that point, I thought it was pretty clear Jones won the fight. On that night, most media members scored the fight for Jones. In re-watching it a while ago, I think it was easily 3-2 for Jones and there is an argument for 4-1 Jones. The two did rematch in December 2018 with Jones stopping Gustafsson in the third round at UFC 232


Who did you score the main event for at UFC 248? (484 votes)

Israel Adesanya: 65.3%
Yoel Romero: 34.7%


John Pollock & Wai Ting review WWE Elimination Chamber headlined by an Elimination Chamber match between Natalya vs. Liv Morgan vs. Shayna Baszler vs. Asuka vs. Ruby Riott vs. Sarah Logan to determine the No. 1 Contender for Becky Lynch’s Raw Women’s Championship.
THUNDERSTRUCK: Jushin Thunder Liger vs. Koji Kanemoto (2/16/1997)

WH Park and “The Godfather of Perth Wrestling”, Davis Storm have a very fun discussion about the J-Crown title match between Jushin Liger and Koji Kanemoto from 1997.

John Pollock is joined by Phil Chertok for the UFC 248 POST Show to review Saturday’s card from the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.
REWIND-A-SMACKDOWN: Elimination Chamber Go-Home Show, N.W.O. Returns

Wai Ting reviews the final WWE SmackDown ahead of Sunday’s Elimination Chamber PPV featuring a tag team gauntlet to determine the final entrants the Elimination Chamber match. Plus, the nWo appears on A Moment of Bliss.

BWE 3/6/20: Progress 103, RevPro High Stakes, OTT ScrapperMania, wXw 16 Carat

Martin & Benno are joined by PWTorch’s Will Cooling to rundown the last month or so in European wrestling including Progress Ch. 103, RevPro High Stakes. Plus previews of OTT ScrapperMania and wXw 16 Carat.
Café Hangout: Dark Side of the Ring’s Evan Husney

John Pollock and Wai Ting are joined live in-studio by Evan Husney, Executive Producer of Vice’s Dark Side of the Ring.
upNXT 3/4/20: Two Cage Are Better Than One

Braden Herrington and Davie Portman are back reviewing the March 4th edition of WWE NXT! Featuring two steel cage matches, a sit down interview with Johnny Gargano and more.
REWIND-A-DYNAMITE 3/4/20: Snake in the Grass

John Pollock and Wai Ting review AEW Dynamite with the fallout from Saturday’s Revolution pay-per-view. Jake “The Snake” Roberts appears.

Browse the POST Wrestling Store

Subscribe to POST Wrestling

POST Wrestling Forum

Support our Patreon – The POST Wrestling Café

Follow us
Twitter | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube

About John Pollock 5646 Articles
Born on a Friday, John Pollock is a reporter, editor & podcaster at POST Wrestling. He runs and owns POST Wrestling alongside Wai Ting.